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Thank You, Jesus! LDS Church Responds to Ordain Women

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been put in the unfortunate situation of having to, twice now, use strong measures to decline requests for tickets to attend the male only Priesthood session of LDS General Conference, by a misguided group of Mormon feminists who persist in their relentless bullying of Church leaders to pray for a revelation to ordain LDS women to the priesthood.




This morning Deseret News posted a letter sent to the Ordain Women organization. Jessica Moody, a female spokesperson for the LDS Church, in which the groups’ dialogue is identified in no uncertain terms as oppositional to the position of the Church - and clearly states the reasons, signed it:

"Women in the church, by a very large majority, do not share your advocacy for priesthood ordination for women and consider that position to be extreme. Declaring such an objective to be non-negotiable, as you have done, actually detracts from the helpful discussions that church leaders have held as they seek to listen to the thoughts, concerns, and hopes of women inside and outside of church leadership. Ordination of women to the priesthood is a matter of doctrine that is contrary to the Lord’s revealed organization for His church.” 

This is one of the boldest moves, at least from what I’ve seen, where the Church has felt to publicly respond to individual members who are demonstrating against the Lord’s doctrine of the priesthood. I recently heard that this small part of the total LDS Church membership represent only 0.5 percent of Mormon women – but oh how loud the media can make them appear, right? And sadly, the rest of us feel that our voices are being stifled in the process--about who we really are, what we truly stand for, and how that looks to so many of us. I hear of your frustrations on a daily basis.

As a Mormon woman who opposes how this organization advocates their cause, which I wrote my personal thoughts in regard to a year ago, and since have been interviewed about, including by Deseret News, I am pleased to see this bold response by the Church. I ‘Stand’ in support of the contents of the letter, and the need to deliver the message - now posted on the Mormon Newsroom and notably signed by an LDS Public Affairs Spokeswoman, to decline OW’s ticket request. (I’m going to keep on emphasizing the authority that a LDS woman has been given to address this huge issue.)

Here is the official report and letter in its entirety and available as a PDF download on the Mormon Newsroom. And here are some of my favorite excerpts extracted from the letter:

"Some wonderful conversations have been held over recent years, and are continuing to be held, relative to women in the church and the invaluable contributions we make. The recent changes you have seen, most notably the lowering of the missionary age for sisters, serve as examples and were facilitated by the input of many extraordinary LDS women around the world."
"Women in the church, by a very large majority, do not share your advocacy for priesthood ordination for women and consider that position to be extreme. Declaring such an objective to be non-negotiable, as you have done, actually detracts from the helpful discussions that church leaders have held as they seek to listen to the thoughts, concerns, and hopes of women inside and outside of church leadership. Ordination of women to the priesthood is a matter of doctrine that is contrary to the Lord’s revealed organization for His church.”

“We invite you, as our sisters, to participate with women everywhere in the parallel meeting for women and girls on March 29, and hope you will join us in a spirit of love and harmony. The women’s meeting is a remarkable gathering of worldwide sisterhood, and was proposed and planned by the presidencies and boards of the Primary, Young Women and Relief Society as a time to focus on ennobling and eternal doctrines relating to women.”

"If you feel you must come and demonstrate, we ask that you do so in free speech zones adjacent to Temple Square, which have long been established for those wishing to voice differing viewpoints.”


Please refrain from leaving comments that purport if the First Presidency didn’t sign the letter, then it is not official, therefore it can be ignored. Note that directly under Jessica Moody’s name that it indicates this letter is on behalf of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it is on official Church letterhead. “Whether by mine own voice, or the voice of my servants …” and I would add, delegated to an official spokesperson for the Church to convey. To disregard Church direction because it comes through a Church spokesperson is disingenuous.


A personal friend notes, “The most interesting and subtle part of the Church’s response: they communicated that the OW protestors would be considered like any other protestors at General Conference — a group that should remain in the free-speech zones highlighted on the map. Wow. That’s a smack in the face — they were just lumped in with the ex-Mormons and the anti-Mormons holding signs at Conference. Not explicitly, but implicitly.”

Terrie Lynn Bitner, who writes on her Latter-day Saint Women blog, shared some interesting thoughts about women attending the priesthood session, during a Facebook discussion, which resonated with me: 


"If the audience is both male and female, it becomes exactly like General Conference, and therefore unnecessary. I look forward every year to a meeting designed to fit my special needs as a woman and I resent their effort to rob me of it. Plus, every seat filled by a woman in priesthood is a seat not filled by a member of the target audience. They might want to be men, but I'm proud to be a woman (that was the message of the women's movement originally--not that to be valuable we have to become men) and I resent their efforts to remove womanhood from my church membership. They are a small minority trying to spoil something special for us all. I am 55 years old. I've seen how misguided the women's movement, which started as a good thing, has become. When you remove uniqueness, you remove something extraordinarily special."

Amen, Sister!

LDS Church Spokeswomen, Ruth Todd, who was on Temple Square during last October’s attempt by OW to attend the Priesthood session provided this statement to the media, “Millions of women in this church do not share the views of this small group who organized today's protest, and most church members would see such efforts as divisive. Even so, these are our sisters and we want them among us, and hope they will find the peace and joy we all seek in the gospel of Jesus Christ." 

Ordain Women’s ongoing agenda to disrupt the LDS General Conference, a sacred time for all members, is not considered acceptable behavior for faithful Latter-day Saints - and it's time we say so. In my opinion, it is the opposite of Zion – and I sincerely hope they will reconsider their relentless opposition, as so kindly requested by the Church.

If I felt sorry for anyone, in watching some of the video footage, it was for those poor priesthood leaders who were humbly following the directions given them. It is wrong that the OW organization is planning on recreating this protest again, with a larger presence.

I truly feel that the advocacy of the Ordain Women organization is divisive and strongly reject the ongoing dialogue that because someone is not in agreement with the actions of those of OW, it somehow translates into a lack of compassion for individuals experiencing a challenge of their faith. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Mormon women can often be found discussing the dilemma,  this situation has placed them in and if they try to speak up about their discomfort in how OW operates, Mormon feminists call them divisive. However, the actions addressed in the letter are responsible for the division among Mormon women. The Apostle Paul reminds us in his poignant treaties on spiritual separation how this principle works: (Romans 8:35-39):

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. 
Thus, it is we, who separate ourselves from God’s love and His people, and not the other way around.

Today, Mormon women around the globe are commemorating the organization of the Relief Society of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – one of the largest women’s organizations in the world – established on March 17, 1842.

"In the first meeting of the Relief Society, Sister Emma Smith said, “We are going to do something extraordinary.” She was right. The history of Relief Society is filled with examples of ordinary women who have accomplished extraordinary things as they have exercised faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ.  

Relief Society was established to help prepare daughters of God for the blessings of eternal life. The purposes of Relief Society are to increase faith and personal righteousness, strengthen families and homes, and provide relief by seeking out and helping those in need. Women fulfill these purposes as they seek, receive, and act on personal revelation in their callings and in their personal lives." Daughters in My Kingdom 

My heart aches when I think of these, my sisters’ in Christ, looking to measure ‘equality’ by the standards of a secular society. We are living in a world that now considers it a virtue to reject moral absolutes and mock religious thought and beliefs as dangerous to society. We must resist such ideology, from wherever it is found, even if within our own faith. Rather, let us submit our will to God and His plan of salvation, which through the Atonement of Jesus Christ has made us equal with Him.




Let us be still, and know that this is so.

tDMg

Kathryn Skaggs

Graphic/Photo Source: Kathryn Skaggs


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    1. Here are my thoughts on the ordination of women in the LDS church: http://naturalfamilyblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/my-thoughts-on-the-ordination-of-women-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints/

      "I believe this group of activist women are an organized cabal of professionally trained leftist agitators who have been tasked with doing a well publicized stunt in order to be excommunicated so they can then then whine to the media for the next twenty years about how evil and patriarchal the church is, having put their Feminist beliefs on the line and paid the seemingly ultimate sacrifice. I just wonder how much money they have been paid to do it…"

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  2. I think that women who are seeking for the Priesthood, do not fully understand the nature of men, and how the Priesthood helps them. It is so clear to me that the Priesthood responsibilities help men in ways that it would not help women.
    Personally, I have sat in many Priesthood council meetings of the church, as a Relief Society president, and I felt that my voice was equally important, if not sometimes even preferred. When I entered the room, the men always stood in respect. The Bishops have often asked my advice, and have been respectful of my feelings. I don't think that having the Priesthood would have brought me any more respect, nor would I have been listened to any more. I have had nothing but respect and honor given me by the brethren of the Priesthood. I have never felt that I was somehow lacking because of not having the Priesthood. To suggest that somehow they view me as less because I don't hold the Priesthood, is disrespectful to these great men who at times have made me feel that they hold me in higher esteem than their fellow brethren.
    Frankly, I''ve had PLENTY of work to do in the church without the additional responsibilities of the Priesthood. The roles we have been given are in some ways even more important than those given to the Priesthood holders. Our roles ARE enough.

    I've heard some women say that they wished they could lay their hands on their children's heads and give them a blessing. My response is that the prayer of faith can be just as effective, and that nothing stops them from praying for that child. In addition, one of the responsibilities of the Priesthood holders is to serve. The power of the Priesthood only becomes a power in them as they serve. It was never meant to be something they used only for themselves. So all women have claim upon the right to ask for blessings for them and their children. No matter the time of day or night, no matter how far the brother has to travel, women can ask for their service.

    I really feel that this group of women are on the verge of apostasy. If you disagree, please first go read the definition of apostasy in the guide to the scriptures before arguing this point. Elders Oaks and Cook spoke about intellectual slavery in the last general conference. I think there is a reason they were inspired to speak about this issue now. Strong words are most needed in perilous times.. .

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    1. So well said, and exactly what I would say too. And Kathryn, thanks for sharing your testimony again. I remember the loonies who disrupted Conference when President Kimball presided with their chant of "No, no, E.R.A." when the "Any opposed, by the same sign" was asked for. I'm so grateful for prophets and apostles and their calling as Seers and their ability to see beyond today and know the correct course for the church. It helps me feel safe when all around me is in chaos.

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    2. I have to agree with Delirious. I too have sat in ward council as the Relief Society President and I have always been heard, and always been "equal", a co-leader with each and every other auxiliary present. To me its not about not wanting more responsibilities or even being happy where I am right now with what I have (which is true for both of those things). To me this whole thing reeks of open rebellion against God. It is God himself who has established his church upon the earth, given us the doctrine and the principles regarding how it is to be run. He makes the rules, the leaders of our church including the prophet, follow what he says being obedient with exactness. So to me, standing up and saying that what God has blessed you with is no longer good enough, or equal, and that you DEMAND that he give you the preisthood, that I would say is absolutely open rebellion. It is ungratefulness at its worst, being ungrateful to your maker for all the things that you do have instead of the one thing he chose to bless his sons with instead, ungrateful for all the special things that you as a woman have been blessed with such as co-creatership with God our father, in clothing his spirit children in temples of flesh and blood.

      The Scriptures have testified and taught that our day and age will be a reaping between the wheat and the tares, and the further our ideology separates us from what is socially popular the more it will try our faith individually and God will see what we are each made of. I feel scared for these sisters, who may be rebelling, weather intentionally or through being deceived. It has never ended well for anyone who places demands on God, and moreover I fear that if they continue to "play so close to the edge" that they may fall and we will loose sisters who would and could be great in building up Zion in preparation for our Savior.

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  3. I have come across your blog today... Actually, the infamous Frozen article.. which I am so happy I did. It was wonderful. And this article here is so wonderful too! I am so pleased with what I am reading from you. You are saying it how it is, and it is so refreshing to me! You put so eloquently all the words that I think, but do not know how to say. Thank you so much!!

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  4. I think the 0.5% is high too - there is no way this is the case. It's a very vocal minority.

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  5. I liked the letter. The Ordain Women group have been clearly told that women ordination is against doctrine and the God revealed organization of the church. These women do not have any more excuses for their advocacy. Their efforts are now essentially apostasy and they are sowing the seeds of division among the church.

    I think it would take a lot of mental gymnastics to justify to raising your hand in General Conference (also in Stake Conference and in temple recommend interviews) to sustain the prophet and apostles if one supports groups like this (and others) that so blatantly go against them. How do people supporting things against the Lord's doctrine sincerely sustain the prophets and apostles on one hand, yet speak out against them on another? The justification and self-deceit required to do so is remarkable.

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  6. Your article on Frozen was brilliant and inspired. I felt uncomfortable the whole time I was watching the movie knowing there was an alternate agenda but not being able to verbalize it. Do not give any heed to the hateful responses. The opposition had to be as direct and hateful as your interpretation of the message was righteous and correct. There has to be opposition in all things. Nephi said that he gave no heed to his opposition. You are a hero. As for the women wanting to go to priesthood, they are very rebellious and close to apostasy. Loved your insights into this matter. Your devoted follower.

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  7. I'm a 24 year old, single woman. I work and study. I believe in the equality of men and women, we both have rights, we both have voice, and we both have to strive forward to do the best we can in all the areas where we develop ourselves. I work in an office where I am the only woman, due to the work field I guess, and I'm proud of being there! I'm happy that my work gets appreciated not because I'm a woman, but because it's good work. But I am also happy for my role in the church. Even though I'm single and have no children, I know that my divine nature is extremely important. I am grateful for the Priesthood and the blessings it brings to my life. And when I see that other women are not seeing how important their divine part in the Plan of Happiness is, it makes me sad. And it even annoys me a bit. They are underestimating our part, they are not really understanding how the plan works. Or they are just being plain stubborn. Anyways, 0.5% actually is a big number. And sadly, this kind of obstacles will most probably keep appearing and even get bigger. But I know that the Church will not give in, doctrine is doctrine, and I am happy to have the security of this eternal truths.

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  8. I feel that those women who feel the need for priesthood ordination for women have not gained a testimony of what the priesthood is, as we study and learn in the church our testimonies vary in the different areas of the gospel plan, and we grow strong learning about the principles and ordinances and how they work in Gods plan I have a growing testimony that the priesthood is for the men of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints and the women help by teaching and being good examples to those she comes in contact with the women do have high callings in this church and I am humbly proud not prideful to be a women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

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  9. I sincerely appreciate your thoughts and comments here!!! Amen!!!

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  10. Interesting how some things ring true and others not so much. I just have been reading Feminist Mormon Housewives out of curiosity. While I might be able to understand some of the points they make, my experience in the church has never made me feel like a second class citizen, nor have I ever felt that my opinions or leadership opportunities have been diminished because of my gender. I feel for the women who have that experience in the church or in their homes. Or that think the General Authorities don't take council from the women in leadership positions in the church. Your thoughts ring true to me, theirs do not. Thank you for your well written, well behaved, truthful thoughts. I'm on the majority side!

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  11. Also appreciated this article. I think that .05% is incorrectly high. I've read elsewhere .02%, but it will never be more than a numerical estimate, as it would take personally interviewing every woman in the church. Regardless, I think that you are right in assuming that the majority of women feel that their own feelings and testimony, which lie within the Lord's revelations, are ignored and diminished by the media because we are not brazenly and audaciously shouting demands from the street corners. I have no demands. I know I am imperfect, and haven't fulfilled or mastered the responsibilities I have been given, and spend my time working on the responsibility (and innate ability) that my Father has given me - being a partner with my husband, preparing my own children to do good in the world, and attempting to do the same with nearly 100 other children in the Primary organization. I dare you to find a more important responsibility in the church - I personally don't believe there is one, and the responsibility for the teaching of these children, for growing testimonies, for instilling Godly virtues, for preparing them lies with the women of the church - in a calling that can NOT be filled by men, neither by revelation nor by attribute. We are born nurturers and teachers....AND leaders in an organization that relies upon the womanly attributes our Father has given us. The success of our homes, the success of our church organization, and our eternal salvation relies upon the principle that we were NOT made equal, but to be equally yoked. We were made to fit together - The Apostle Paul taught that “neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord” (1 Corinthians 11:11). Is it any wonder then that our homes and our church organization should reflect this divine principle? Honestly, what earthly need would we have for men if the women should be ordained? Why would a father need to bless his children with the priesthood? Why have men run the organization of the church? They (generally speaking) are out earning a living, and a stay-at-home mom would be a much better choice for a bishop, no? Women (again, generally speaking) are more organized and thoughtful, more tactful - they CAN run it all, so why not have them? Because our divine calling is to use our efforts in the areas most suited to us, the ones that are the very most important - teaching & nurturing children. It's the hardest, most thankless responsibility, and I can completely understand why some women (if not most) want to shy away from it, but the results of that are disastrous. Is it any wonder Isaiah quotes the Lord, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.” (Isaiah 55:8)

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  12. It saddens me to think that there are some who overlook the simplest of doctrines. For example in the The Family: A proclamation to the world says "All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose."
    People who think that their is an "inequality" in the church do not understand the fact that we are Children of God who loves us EQUALLY and as such has given us a specific function and purpose that will not only strengthen us but guide us to return to our Father above.
    I'm just grateful my wife isn't "butthurt" that she can't hold the priesthood. I'm really grateful that she understands who she truly is as a wife and daughter to earthly and Heavenly Parents. My wife may not have the priesthood but she already has these wonderful traits and characteristics that make her such a wonderful person and I don't think of her as inferior to me just because I hold the priesthood to bless my wife and home.

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  13. Thank you for this wonderful article! You have captured my thoughts perfectly! What I believe is happening is a group of uninformed women are fighting for something that they don't even understand completely. There is a huge difference between "doctrine" and "policy." In this church our policies have changed and adapted to the different times that we live in now. However doctrine has not changed and it will not change. On the WO website they themselves use the work "policy" in asking that this change be made. It is NOT a change of policy! They do not even understand what they are asking for! They do not represent me...nor the MAJORITY of faithful women in the world who support fully the Priesthood as it is DOCTRINALLY established as it was in the times of Christ. Thank you again for your post!

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  14. It is nice to see this statement. Are we approaching some kind of apostasy? I feel for all those Who are struggling with following the Lord's prophet and the leadership in the Lord's church. We all struggle with something one time or another... And some of us everyday. I think it is important to be true to our God first. When we do, that humility with faith will help us discern truth from the deceptions of the adversary. It doesn't mean the trial of our faith will be removed, but our eyes will be opened a little at a time. I feel strongly in example, the word of wisdom does have clear elements that effect worthiness to attend the temple. If I really love my coffee...I would say ...yes I know I should quit so I can attend the temple... Not. .They should change it since I see nothing wrong with it. We all need d to be willing to face the Lord's truth which is ours as well. I have much more respect for a Latter Day Saint who willfully lives contrary to the teaching of the church, and acknowledges it. .. Rather than all those who insist they are right and the Lord's servants are wrong.

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  15. Perfectly, perfectly, perfectly said. You are wonderful.

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  16. These are the same tactics used to subvert religions everywhere, as well as to subvert the laws of the US. The Big Lie of liberalism is the ideal that those who speak loudest are the most fit to dictate policy. Thank goodness the LDS church leaders aren't buying into that deception.

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  17. Even though I empathize with our women who feel they need the priesthood I agree that the OW movement is going a bit too far.
    However, the statement in the letter that “Ordination of women to the priesthood is a matter of doctrine”, may be misconstrued by people to mean it cannot change. But we are taught at https://www.lds.org/manual/teaching-no-greater-call-a-resource-guide-for-gospel-teaching/lesson-11-keeping-the-doctrine-pure?lang=eng

    “President J. Reuben Clark Jr. said, “Only the President of the Church, the Presiding High Priest, is sustained as Prophet, Seer, and Revelator for the Church, and he alone has the right to receive revelations for the Church, either new or amendatory, or to give authoritative interpretations of scriptures that shall be binding on the Church, or change in any way the existing doctrines of the Church” (in Church News, 31 July 1954, 10)”
    So the time could come that the doctrine would change and women would be given the priesthood, just as in NT times when there were women apostles. Romans 16:7.

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    1. Women have never held the Priesthood in this life. In ancient times they used different wording than we do now...women who were called apostles, priestesses, etc., were followers of Christ, nothing more/not ordained.

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  18. I recently wrote one of the leaders and asked if any of the OW members hold temple recommends. The response was yes. She went on to explain that since OW was formed, some members have had their recommends renewed without an incident. I think it is a matter of time before these members have their recommends questioned. There are two very specific questions that they can’t honestly answer. I hope they snap out of their stupor before it leads to more bitterness.

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  19. I find it interesting that the media labels the members of OW as 'faithful Mormons' when in fact they seem to me as being unfaithful members.

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    1. Why does someone need to be labeled as unfaithful when they simply ask questions? Is it possible in our culture to ask a question without being questioning? This is a larger issue that I'm thinking about a lot lately and I'm anxious to hear more people's thoughts on it.

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    3. It is not the asking that makes then unfaithful but their response to the answer they were given. "If any lack wisdom let him ask of God" we are told to question, to ask when we don't understand, however we must do it in humility and faith. This also means be willing to accept the answer even when it is not what we want.
      Changes to the doctrine can only come through revelation to the church through the prophets. I think this .05% should look in church history. It was not the protests, or the members who moved against the church (and where excommunicated) that the doctrine regarding men of black African decent and the priesthood was changed. It was after the humble and faithful members in Brazils actions showed it was time. It was by their sacrifice to build a temple knowing they couldn't enter it, by their example of following the prophet that the revelation came to the prophet.
      We as women in the church should learn from their example and accept that if we truly believe this is Gods church, and that the prophet is ordained of God, and he has stated this is not the time to change the doctrine then we are not meant to be ordain as priesthood holders. Even if your not happy about it, pray for acceptance

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  20. Yes. For every seat taken up in the Priesthood Session by a woman means there would not be a seat for a MAN who NEEDS to hear the messages directed at MEN. For heaven's sake, let the men have a night out and get uplifted. I know the men in my ward are always proud to attend the Priesthood session. As wives and mothers, we all should say, "Amen to that!" not whining, "I should be able to come, too." That's what the General Women's meeting is for. I sure wouldn't want a seat to be taken up by a man at that session when a woman should be sitting there. Watch it at home, girls, like the rest of us. Celebrate your men. What are you afraid of? And please don't think I want what you want. I kind of like not having the Priesthood responsibility. I have enough as it is. And the men need that responsibility, heaven knows.

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  21. I love you. My anger and annoyance at the ignorance displayed by this mind-warping agenda is at its limit. Your blog offers hope, I stand with you in saying THANK YOU, JESUS!!! Because it is Him who should be thanked. It is He who is directing it. It is He who makes the decisions. It is He who has made His point clear, and will continue to do so. It is He who these "mysoginistic, ignorant, oppressing" men turn to on their knees daily. It is He who makes this church stand at its majesty when fallen minds and hearts pridefully think they know better than Him. It is He who knows the weaknesses, sins, and strengths of all of us, and yet cares enough to trust us through that. It is He who will be the same today, yesterday, and forever and will not have place for fear and rebellion amongst His people (just read the Book of Mormon to see what happens when we try to "pressure" God). It is HE, HIM, and THEM who will direct it. It is NOT a weak, insecure group who explains fear as faith, and replaces passion and persistence with pride and pushing. It is He that we should be thanking for all that it is. It's COMMANDED to ask, seek, and knock. . .but if you really want to receive learn to SHUT UP and listen and not kick against the pricks!

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    1. Wow did you really just say that people should SHUT UP? Talk about setting a Christ like example. That sounds odly familiar to me when I read Joseph Smith history. I think a lot of people told him to shut up to. I'm grateful he didn't to them.

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    2. Wow, Landen. You just might be the reason these women would want to be ordained to the priesthood so they wouldn't have to ask someone such as you for blessings, etc., There is NOTHING wrong with asking questions, as a matter of fact, it is expected that we do so. You DO NOT KNOW THESE WOMEN or what may have led them to the questions they've had. I may not agree with their methods, but I would not go as far as to tell them to Shut Up! If you sat back and imagined Jesus Christ with them, do you think He would tell them to Shut Up? Can you imagine Him speaking down to them, or can you imagine Him understanding them. His suffered so that He could understand them too.

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  22. I do not think that the OW realize the divinity they have as women. and it is clearly evident that they do not know the full magnitude of the priesthood that many of the brethren often forget themselves.

    though the priesthood is given to men to elevate them in righteousness with women, and teaches us to serve and love others. it carries an eternal weight that can literally be damning as stated in section 84:41,42 of the doctrine and covenants as-well as section 121:34-46 where it also outlines what is needed to properly maintain the power and authority of the priesthood.

    simply if the men who hold the priesthood cannot elevate themselves in charity and servitude to their fellow brothers and sisters that they are called to protect with the power of our Heavenly Father. then it is to their own condemnation, and they will be held accountable for the abuse or neglect of the power given them to serve.

    if we all understood the magnitude of the priesthood i'm sure very few would be jumping in line to receive it. the women should feel privileged not to have to bare the weight of something that in scriptural terms has been described as a millstone around ones neck.

    a woman's inherent nature are the Godlike attributes men are commanded to obtain. because of these inherent attributes more women will be qualified to receive celestial glory then men as stated by many general authorities in the past.

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  23. I think you addressed this situation well. It is just another sign of the times. We are warned that even some of the very elect will fall.
    Blessings for posting on this issue.

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  24. The OW and the supporters of gay marriage within the church reminds me of Lehi's dream. We have among us LDS members shouting from the roof tops of the great and spacious building to those who are trying to hold to the Rod and be steadfast in Christ.

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  25. Thank you so much for your thoughtful, tactful, and inspired observation of this. I find it really sad that the scriptures are being fulfilled and that some of the elect are being deceived. I'm sure these are great women who have solid testimonies, and it's awful that this group is stirring them up to unsatisfaction in the Church. I hope they can all understand the perfect structure of the Lord's organization and accept His will and plan without questioning it.

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  26. I am praying for these sisters. We need them in the Church. If they fall now, generations of descendents will be affected. Their parents and family members may be so very disappointed and saddened. This is so sad to me that even after receiving an answer from an official spokesperson for the Church, they are still pressing forward with their agenda to march on April 5th to the Temple grounds. Hopefully some may listen to the Prophet but we all know that there will be some that will rebel. Their posterity will suffer because of it. If they are truly praying and listening to the Spirit they will hear their answers at General Conference. Please pray for these Sisters.

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  27. The Priesthood enables men to serve. Men and women alike would do well to remember that the Priesthood is a power....to serve. It is not for the benefit of the man who possesses it. It is to bless those around him. In my opinion, I would never want my wife or sisters to feel like they had to serve me. I will forever be serving them.

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  28. You are a judgmental woman. All of you are. Us vs. them. These women are your sisters in the gospel. You don't have to agree with them, but show some compassion. Such hostile and bitchy responses. They have strong testimonies and love the church. Your experiences are not their experiences. If you believe in Jesus, remember he loves them. You are all assholes. Seriously, "we are the majority"?? Might makes right? Gawd.

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    1. Seriously, CaraDee did you really want to post that? Calling your Sisters in the Gospel "A holes" and Bchy? I
      s that not hostile? We have strong testimonies and love the Church too and that is why we are so concerned for our Sisters. At least I am. I pray for them every night.

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    2. There were no hostile replies, just strongly stated truths that are hard for some to hear.

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    3. CaraDee, your post is reeking with judgment. Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter how loudly one group may shout over another. The YW theme states "we will stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things and in all places." That is what the "majority" of women are doing. Some people don't like to hear that they are misguided. Some people don't like to acknowledge they have been led astray. How many times must the prophet make specific statements about this topic before the women "listen" to the answer that is being given?

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  29. Thanks for this. We don't always agree, for example I often wear dress pants and a blouse to church. I figure the Lord would rather have me in church in pants as opposed to home. I have been thinking about the whole ordination thing and the churches statement has clarified things for me.

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  30. ◄ 1 Corinthians 14:34 ►

    New International Version
    Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

    That includes blogs on church matters.

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    1. You must not be LDS.

      For starters, we do not use the New International Version of the Bible. Also, modern-day prophets have said otherwise. Sisters teach and give talks in the LDS church all the time. We have a divine mission that differs from that of the priesthood but is no less important.

      "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly..." Articles of Faith, #8

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  31. I think the thing that is often forgotten is exactly what Elder Oaks spoke about in the Priesthood session, women and men together hold the fullness of the priesthood. I may play a different role than that of my husband but it is an equaly important role, within the e priesthood. The priesthood is the power of God given to men and women to act in his name. I also find it knteresting that the statement from the "spokeswoman" was disregarded by a group who claim that they are fighting for equality within the Church.

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  32. My experience has not matched that of those who are posting here. I wonder if you will welcome a different opinion. I have felt belittled by my bishops and other priesthood leaders. My voice has been ignored. I have watched priesthood leaders make egregious mistakes in some of their actions and then been told that I did not need to worry about that because they would never lead us astray. I have prayed for the priesthood to be given to the women of the Church for decades. Not publicly but in private. When President Hinckley said that the women of the Church did not want the priesthood I wanted to write him to tell him that was not true of all of us and would he put my name on the list of those who did want it. I did not dare because I was afraid I would be called into a Church court or have my life investigated by the committee President Packer ran to protect the Church members from the teachings of apostates. I did not feel free to speak up in the Church. Neither did many LDS women dare speak the truth of their feelings. I do not think Sister Kelly's group is being effective, but I do think they are speaking from their hearts. I wish the Church honored that.

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    1. I've had many of your same experiences over the course of my adult membership in the Church, which is probably why I am less inclined to allow others to make it an issue in order for them to have a positive relationship with God and His Church. Because some men need to understand how to better honor women in the Church is not a reason to consider the Church off course.

      The Church very much cares about women and what they think, feel and experience as members of the Church. I know this for a fact -- I've met with them and shared my personal concerns.

      We need to be careful that in a desire to support those who struggle with their faith, we are not also supporting contrary acts divisive to the Church. In this case, Sister Kelly is advocating against doctrine and leading others to believe and support her advocacy for priesthood ordination, which she has repeatedly been told/asked to cease as it is divisive.. We also need to cease from using a former prophet's comments in a T.V. interview as license to control the current prophet's leadership -- especially when the doctrine has been clearly marked that women do not hold priesthood offices in the Church, via this last General Conference -- as if that was necessary.

      Speak your truth, but cling to God's until they are one. This is a challenge each of us have on our personal journey's of faith to come unto Christ.

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  33. Honestly, I don't understand the women who demand "priesthood" powers or others who want to change the church in other ways. I know of a certain someone, before the earth was created that wanted to take something that wasn't his. It got him evicted from heaven.

    The truth is as a woman, had I not liked the order of the church, I wouldn't have joined. And if I don't like it now, means I would quit. It would not cross my mind to coerce, insist or demand the church change to suit me. If the church that I joined could be so easily moved by the whims of a person or group of persons, then it would not offer the comfort to me that I enjoy as member.

    Every six months, every member of the church is given an opportunity to uphold our leaders. If you don't uphold the leaders of the church, then I feel that by personal voluntary exclusion, this church isn't for you. I have the choice and I have chosen this church as the cornerstone of my life. I believe it's precepts and I uphold my leaders.

    We are all given that same choice, believe or not. We are not given the choice to dictate to our Heavenly Father what we want to live with. He gives the commandments, it is up to us to choose to live as he decrees. I suspect, Heavenly Father is much like me, my children do not tell me what to do. I have my reason why things are done a certain way, and I don't necessarily feel the need to explain everything to my kids. Somethings, yes. But not all things. Somethings, my kids aren't old enough to understand.

    See, I think the church that I have joined, is directed by Jesus Christ. I didn't join a church to be led by men, even if they're good men. Our leaders, they're not perfect, they're human, but I believe them. I wouldn't be satisfied belonging to a church if I didn't believe the leaders. I believe that Jesus is leading this church and that makes it my church.

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  34. I think it's good to start a healthy conversation. There is a lot of room for certain areas of interpretation within the church. This is not necessarily a good or bad thing. It creates wiggle room for our own individual strengths and weaknesses. For example, I take the "eat meat sparingly" more literally than most people. I have meat about once a week. That's enough for me. Do I think that most people need to cut back on their meat consumption? Absolutely. But I know my interpretation of this doctrine is different than most people's. I would love to start a good debatable conversation about it, if anything, to get more people aware of the subject.

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  35. The church clearly stated that there is nothing wrong with asking questions. Asking is not the problem. The problem comes when you dont like the answer and you try to FORCE changes and cause a big stink when things don't go the way YOU want!

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